Who Is The Best Team In The NL?
The Taking Back Sports 5-Minute Break Column, it’ll get you away from that TPS report.
Each week, Take Back columnists Kevin O’Connor (Dr. Sports Fan), Adio Royster (The Phoenix), and newcomer Brittany Page (Black Lung) debate a sports topic to keep from losing their minds at work.
This week’s 5-Minute Break topic: Who Is the Best Team in the National League?
Kevin:
Since I have the honors, I’ve gotta start with the defending champs. The Fightin’s got a little better on paper, and they’re currently nipping on the Dodgers’ heels for home-field throughout the playoffs. True, the team’s best pitchers from from last year (Cole Hamels & Brad Lidge) are scuttling, but the addition of Cliff Lee & his 2008 Cy Young are putting my mind at ease. (I’ll give honorable mention to the Colorado Rockies.)
Brittany:
Since I’m surrounded by idiotic Phillies fans, I will dare to be different and say the Cardinals. While Kevin states they got better on paper, that doesn’t mean anything in the real game. In the playoffs, I would love to see a Pujols/Lidge rematch and put my money on Pujols, by the way. Sure, Philly has beaten St. Louis in their season series, but I’m predicting Lidge choke in the playoffs similar to the one he had with Houston in 2005. The Cards bats will win over Philly’s pitching. Sure, Lee won the Cy Young last year, but before then, what did he do? Everyone can have a fluke year, and the Cards are getting hot as of late.
The Dodgers are great, but their inexperience will be their downfall. Now I am not an avid baseball fan — as the Padres make me want to gauge my eyes out much like Macbeth — but F*** the Phils! Except Utley because he’s hot.
P.S. Myers will choke too.
Adio:
Wow … How do I follow that paragraph of jealous hatred? See, folks. This is what happens when you live in a city the fields the corpse of a major league ball-club.
But, I digress …
The NL comes down to two teams: Philadelphia and Los Angeles. Yes, Matt Holliday has been knocking the cover off the ball since he decided to remember how to hit a baseball (OAK stats/STL stats), and yes, the Cards have Mister Pujols — I use “Mister” out of respect — but I have two main concerns: Cardinals pitching and defense. The Cardinals rotation is NOT EVEN CLOSE to championship caliber, and the Cards have one of the worst fielding percentages of any team in the NL (STL fielding stats). Pretty sure if you’re missing two out of three needed components (offense, defense & pitching), you can’t be the best.
*POINT OF ORDER #1: “Everyone can have a fluke year.” Funny you say that, B, because Chris Carpenter’s 8-0 record after the All-Star break and Julio Lugo’s resurrected bat (LUGO B.A.) has me wondering if A-Rod’s cousin is a Cardinals nutritionist.
The other two teams are way too close to call. If the Phillies are #1, then the Dodgers are 1 ‘L’-A (get it?). Wouldn’t surprise me at all if either of these teams won. Both teams have offensive firepower from 1-8, and both teams are solid defensively — although Rafa Furcal could cough up an error at any time. The Phillies have the smallest edge (Kate Moss’s body small) because their rotation is the best in the NL. I repeat: BEST IN THE NL! Hamels, Lee and Blanton can all win playoff games in a short series with J.A. Happ or “Jamie Martinez” having more than enough ability to get one if either of the first three trip up.
The Dodgers rotation comes with one simple question: other than Chad Billingsly, who else can win a playoff game? Randy Wolf? The zombified body of Jason Schmidt? The better closer is Jonathan Broxton, who I refer to as “Johnny Bravo”, but if the starters leave games with the score 7-1 or 8-3, will Broxton even be a factor?
*POINT OF ORDER #2: Hey, B, You think Lidge would be spooked by Pujols? That’d be nothing compared to Johnny Bravo sweating like a hooker at a Kennedy convention if he has to face Matt Stairs again. The last time these two met, Stairs destroyed a pitch that landed in Oregon somewhere … YESTERDAY! Look for Phils v. Dodgers II this year. This time … it’s for money!
K:
Sorry, B. I’ve gotta side with Adio & the rest of the Phillies fans on this one. True, Lidge looks like Rick Vaughn did for most of “Major League 2”, but he was the second coming of Mariano Rivera last year. Something tells me there’s a happy medium somewhere in between.
St. Louis doesn’t have the lineup to play with the Phils or the Dodgers (any leadoff hitter in the Gateway City?), and who can handle the Philies starting rotation? Hamels tied a post-season record with four wins. Cliff Lee has flirted with TWO no-hitters in his four nearly flawless starts in the NL, Joe Blanton has been solid — if not their best starter all year — and J.A. Happ has been a revelation. With Jamie Martinez and Pedro Moyer handling the fifth spot, Brett Myers can slide into a late-inning role for the stretch run. Remember, he was a good closer during the ’07 division championship season.
The verdict? The Phillies have too many bullets in the chamber to not be considered the top team.
P.S. They are the DEFENDING CHAMPIONS!
B:
In the last ten games, the Cards are 9-1 while the Phillies are 6-4.
You both make arguments about pitching, but the numbers don’t lie:
PHI Pitching
Blanton 7-6 3.88 ERA
Myers 4-3 4.66 ERA
*Lee 11-9 2.72 ERA
Hamels 7-7 4.69 ERA
*Happ 9-2 2.66 ERA
Lidge 0-5 7.21 ERA, 23 saves
*Asterisks mean that I agree they have had solid years.
You both say the Phils rotation is sooo superior, but what about the Cards pitching?
STL Pitching
Carpenter 13-3 2.27 ERA
Pineiro 11-9 3.25 ERA
Wainright 14-7 2.61 ERA
Franklin 2-1 1.13 ERA
Sure Wellemeyer has 31 saves and is 7-9 with a 5.67 ERA, but he can win a few games, too.
Furthermore, Philly bats have struggled this year. Victorino is the only player batting over .300, so your Holliday argument is BS. Lugo may not be good on the field, but he is batting .298 to go along with Yadier Molina’s .296.
I still stand by the Cards.
Usually in the playoffs, you only get four pitchers anyway, right?
A:
*sigh* … I’ll defer to Kevin. I’ve already destroyed one argument today. There are only so many waves of mutilation I can inflict on someone.
K:
B, I can’t help you here, so I’ll let Lil’ Jon do the talking.
Blanton isn’t having a solid year with an ERA under four in one of the most notorious “hitter’s parks” in all of baseball!?!
WHAT!?!
The Cards do have solid pitching, but Ryan Franklin has played in Philly, too, and he was el terrible when he did play there. I’d be willing to concede the Cards pitching is not sub-standard.
OKAY!!!
Please don’t compare the two lineups. The Phillies have four, YES four guys with 25 or more home runs. That stat will soon change to four guys with 30 or more home runs. Jimmy Rollins is tearing the cover off the ball in the second half, so don’t act like he’s a hole in the lineup.
The Phillies don’t hit for average, THEY SLUG THE BALL!
With Myers set to join the set-up crew (and to spell Lidge), the best bullpen in the majors last year gets a major upgrade. Factor in that the Phillies had the best record in the NL in September in both ’07 & ’08, and I’d say the best is yet to come…
YEAH !!!
B:
The Cards have a better team average overall. Sure, you can hit the crap out of the ball and still strikeout a lot (see Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome and Ryan Howard — not once, but twice).
Arguing with you two about this topic is like arguing with former President George W. Bush on why the current war was not a good idea. You can’t tell him what’s going on in reality, but in the end, he will still live in a comfortable state of delusion.
K:
Great. I love being compared to George W. Bush.









How about we debate a real league here? not AAAA baseball.
Great job guys!
This is better than porn!
Adio and Kevin sound like bigger homers than Woody Paige! Come on dudes, the Phillies are the beneficiary of playing in the same division as the struggling Mets and the worst team in baseball, the Nats. Lets review how they’ve fared this month against real teams:
0-2 vs SF, 2-1 vs Col, 0-3 vs FLA, 3-0 vs CHC, 2-1 vs ATL, and 3-0 vs ARI.
Of these teams, only the series wins over the Rockies and Braves means anything.
The Cardinals meanwhile are beating up on everybody within and outside the NL Central. Right now their pitching is the best. The Pen has been nails, Carpenter is untouchable since the All-Star break, and Wainwright took a no-no into the 6th inning against the Dodgers last week.
Right now the Cards are the best in the NL. As much as I’d like to say the Dodgers, their pitching isn’t getting it done and the bats have gone cold. And the Dodgers’ record outside the NL West is less than stellar.