-The Phoenix (10-13-10)

The Phoenix

For me, there is only one answer: BUD BLACK!  The San Diego Padres weren’t expected to do anything this year.  They finished last year at 75-87; their big free agent signing was Jon Garland and the only player worth any mention was Adrian Gonzalez.  What did Bud do?  Oh, only have a first place team for virtually the entire season until the last week and a half.  The Padres were contending until the last weekend, but unfortunately, their youth and inexperience showed up at the wrong time (see 10-game losing streak in August).  I know what the main argument is going to be: “The Padres didn’t make the playoffs, so Black shouldn’t be considered.”  I call b/s on that.  In 2006, Joe Girardi was named NL Manager of the year with the fourth place Marlins, and in the American League for back to back years, the manager of a third place team (Tony Pena in ‘03 with the Kansas City Royals and Buck Showalter in ‘04 with the Texas Rangers).  Playoffs shouldn’t dictate this award nor should the retirement of a future Hall of Famer.

Black did more with less.  Give him the trophy!

Jack Bauer of All Sports

I’ve got nothing to add. It’s Black, hands-down. Only other person you could make a case for MIGHT be Bruce Bochy in SF, but the Giants’ success was much more a function of their trade activity and having a totally revamped team after the 7/31 trade deadline compared to the opening day lineup. That said, I’d vote Brian Sabbian as NL General Manager of the year.

Dr. Sports Fan

Bud Black is a fine choice, but why not Phillies manager Charlie Manuel or Houston manager Brad Mills. Manuel’s team ended the season with the best record in baseball despite a terrible year from the offense. For anyone that had Carlos Ruiz as the team’s most consistent hitter this year, congrats on assuming the Sports Nostradamus mantel. As for Mills, his team went 59-52 after June 1 despite losing the first 8 games of the season and a 17-34 start. For a team that was easily the worst in the majors at the start of the season to finish in the middle of the pack, that’s nothing to snicker at. Plus the Astros played their best without Lance Berkman and Roy Oswalt.

As for my rebuttal of Black: How can we reward the man that steered the ship into the ground? I remember that little 10-game losing streak during the stretch run. Sorry, but my Manager of the Year’s team doesn’t choke away its shot at the playoffs.

Phoenix

I got nothing against “Uncle Cholly” for Manager of the Year since there is some weight to a manager who led the team to the MLB best record.  Can’t argue that.  I can’t say I completely disagree with Mills since Houston’s second half was MUCH better than the first — causing at least the pausing of Ed Wade effigies.

The ten game losing streak did hurt Black’s case a little, but even with that losing streak, the Padres were still in it until the last weekend.  Right about then is where the Padres could have just wrapped it up and called it a season, but they kept clawing and fighting.  Even with a ridiculous slide, the Padres showed some fight and some resiliency the rest of the way.  They didn’t give up, and that’s a byproduct of good leadership.  If Black doesn’t win the award, it doesn’t kill me one way or the other.  I just hearken back to my argument he did more with less.

Jack

Once again, I am 100% with the Phoenix. Houston was a good story, but they never competed for the playoffs, the Padres did. As for “Chuck”, he did exactly what he should have done, lead the Phils to the best NL record with the best team top to bottom, despite the hiccups of the offense at times. No props to “Chuck” for doing what he was expected to do with the most resources at his disposal.

DSF

Fair enough. Like I said before, Black is a good choice. But I take umbrage that Charlie just merely met expectations. I mean his entire starting lineup spent time on the DL and some players — Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley — spent significant time there during the season. Factor in the on-going Brad Lidge issues, in which Manuel stuck with him and was rewarded with a new Lidge by the season’s stretch drive, and I don’t see why Charlie isn’t as good a candidate. Yeah his team has more resources, but they could have very well turned into the 2009 Mets, whose season was ruined by devastating injuries. I credit Manuel (and GM Ruben Amaro) for avoiding that doomsday scenario.

Jack

Umbrage? That’s a big word! Good prodution, Mr. Phoenix.

Chuck has a long track record of success and getting the most out of a team, even when the injury bug strikes. While he may have done one of his best jobs this season given the up and down health of the team, we expect nothing less out of him. He was a good manager this year, but not the best.

DSF

That’s Dr. Sports Fan to you!

Jack

Sorry Doc!

Verdict

National League Manager of the Year: Bud Black, San Diego Padres

Each week, Take Back columnists Kevin O’Connor (Dr. Sports Fan), Adio Royster (The Phoenix), and newcomer Brittany Page (Black Lung) debate a sports topic to keep from losing their minds at work.

This week’s 5-Minute Break topic: Who Is the Best Team in the National League?

Kevin:

Since I have the honors, I’ve gotta start with the defending champs. The Fightin’s got a little better on paper, and they’re currently nipping on the Dodgers’ heels for home-field throughout the playoffs. True, the team’s best pitchers from from last year (Cole Hamels & Brad Lidge) are scuttling, but the addition of Cliff Lee & his 2008 Cy Young are putting my mind at ease. (I’ll give honorable mention to the Colorado Rockies.)

Brittany:

Since I’m surrounded by idiotic Phillies fans, I will dare to be different and say the Cardinals. While Kevin states they got better on paper, that doesn’t mean anything in the real game. In the playoffs, I would love to see a Pujols/Lidge rematch and put my money on Pujols, by the way. Sure, Philly has beaten St. Louis in their season series, but I’m predicting Lidge choke in the playoffs similar to the one he had with Houston in 2005. The Cards bats will win over Philly’s pitching. Sure, Lee won the Cy Young last year, but before then, what did he do? Everyone can have a fluke year, and the Cards are getting hot as of late.

The Dodgers are great, but their inexperience will be their downfall. Now I am not an avid baseball fan — as the Padres make me want to gauge my eyes out much like Macbeth — but F*** the Phils! Except Utley because he’s hot.

P.S. Myers will choke too.

Adio:

Wow … How do I follow that paragraph of jealous hatred?  See, folks. This is what happens when you live in a city the fields the corpse of a major league ball-club.

But, I digress …

The NL comes down to two teams: Philadelphia and Los Angeles. Yes, Matt Holliday has been knocking the cover off the ball since he decided to remember how to hit a baseball (OAK stats/STL stats), and yes, the Cards have Mister Pujols — I use “Mister” out of respect — but I have two main concerns: Cardinals pitching and defense. The Cardinals rotation is NOT EVEN CLOSE to championship caliber, and the Cards have one of the worst fielding percentages of any team in the NL (STL fielding stats). Pretty sure if you’re missing two out of three needed components (offense, defense & pitching), you can’t be the best.

*POINT OF ORDER #1: “Everyone can have a fluke year.” Funny you say that, B, because Chris Carpenter’s 8-0 record after the All-Star break and Julio Lugo’s resurrected bat (LUGO B.A.) has me wondering if A-Rod’s cousin is a Cardinals nutritionist.

The other two teams are way too close to call. If the Phillies are #1, then the Dodgers are 1 ‘L’-A (get it?). Wouldn’t surprise me at all if either of these teams won. Both teams have offensive firepower from 1-8, and both teams are solid defensively — although Rafa Furcal could cough up an error at any time. The Phillies have the smallest edge (Kate Moss’s body small) because their rotation is the best in the NL. I repeat: BEST IN THE NL! Hamels, Lee and Blanton can all win playoff games in a short series with J.A. Happ or “Jamie Martinez” having more than enough ability to get one if either of the first three trip up.

The Dodgers rotation comes with one simple question: other than Chad Billingsly, who else can win a playoff game? Randy Wolf? The zombified body of Jason Schmidt? The better closer is Jonathan Broxton, who I refer to as “Johnny Bravo”, but if the starters leave games with the score 7-1 or 8-3, will Broxton even be a factor?

*POINT OF ORDER #2:  Hey, B, You think Lidge would be spooked by Pujols? That’d be nothing compared to Johnny Bravo sweating like a hooker at a Kennedy convention if he has to face Matt Stairs again. The last time these two met, Stairs destroyed a pitch that landed in Oregon somewhere … YESTERDAY! Look for Phils v. Dodgers II this year. This time … it’s for money!

K:

Sorry, B. I’ve gotta side with Adio & the rest of the Phillies fans on this one. True, Lidge looks like Rick Vaughn did for most of “Major League 2”, but he was the second coming of Mariano Rivera last year. Something tells me there’s a happy medium somewhere in between.

St. Louis doesn’t have the lineup to play with the Phils or the Dodgers (any leadoff hitter in the Gateway City?), and who can handle the Philies starting rotation? Hamels tied a post-season record with four wins. Cliff Lee has flirted with TWO no-hitters in his four nearly flawless starts in the NL, Joe Blanton has been solid — if not their best starter all year — and J.A. Happ has been a revelation. With Jamie Martinez and Pedro Moyer handling the fifth spot, Brett Myers can slide into a late-inning role for the stretch run. Remember, he was a good closer during the ’07 division championship season.

The verdict?  The Phillies have too many bullets in the chamber to not be considered the top team.

P.S. They are the DEFENDING CHAMPIONS!

B:

In the last ten games, the Cards are 9-1 while the Phillies are 6-4.

You both make arguments about pitching, but the numbers don’t lie:

PHI Pitching

Blanton  7-6  3.88 ERA
Myers  4-3  4.66 ERA
*Lee  11-9  2.72 ERA
Hamels  7-7  4.69 ERA
*Happ  9-2  2.66 ERA
Lidge  0-5  7.21 ERA, 23 saves

*Asterisks mean that I agree they have had solid years.

You both say the Phils rotation is sooo superior, but what about the Cards pitching?

STL Pitching

Carpenter  13-3  2.27 ERA
Pineiro  11-9  3.25 ERA
Wainright  14-7  2.61 ERA
Franklin  2-1  1.13 ERA

Sure Wellemeyer has 31 saves and is 7-9 with a 5.67 ERA, but he can win a few games, too.

Furthermore, Philly bats have struggled this year. Victorino is the only player batting over .300, so your Holliday argument is BS. Lugo may not be good on the field, but he is batting .298 to go along with Yadier Molina’s .296.

I still stand by the Cards.

Usually in the playoffs, you only get four pitchers anyway, right?

A:

*sigh* … I’ll defer to Kevin. I’ve already destroyed one argument today. There are only so many waves of mutilation I can inflict on someone.

K:

B, I can’t help you here, so I’ll let Lil’ Jon do the talking.

Blanton isn’t having a solid year with an ERA under four in one of the most notorious “hitter’s parks” in all of baseball!?!

WHAT!?!

The Cards do have solid pitching, but Ryan Franklin has played in Philly, too, and he was el terrible when he did play there. I’d be willing to concede the Cards pitching is not sub-standard.

OKAY!!!

Please don’t compare the two lineups. The Phillies have four, YES four guys with 25 or more home runs. That stat will soon change to four guys with 30 or more home runs. Jimmy Rollins is tearing the cover off the ball in the second half, so don’t act like he’s a hole in the lineup.

The Phillies don’t hit for average, THEY SLUG THE BALL!

With Myers set to join the set-up crew (and to spell Lidge), the best bullpen in the majors last year gets a major upgrade. Factor in that the Phillies had the best record in the NL in September in both ’07 & ’08, and I’d say the best is yet to come…

YEAH !!!

B:

The Cards have a better team average overall. Sure, you can hit the crap out of the ball and still strikeout a lot (see Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome and Ryan Howard — not once, but twice).

Arguing with you two about this topic is like arguing with former President George W. Bush on why the current war was not a good idea. You can’t tell him what’s going on in reality, but in the end, he will still live in a comfortable state of delusion.

K:

Great. I love being compared to George W. Bush.